The People's Champion Tournament: Round 3, All Divisions (Voting/Discussion)

Welcome to the the complete third round of the People’s Champion Tournament! (See here for details and ground rules.) PLEASE NOTE: Starting this round, all segments will have one week duration as opposed to the two weeks of previous rounds’ segments.

This post is for third round matchups for all divisions. All matches are based on the competition ladder and previous wins.

Match 49: Six vs. Buggy

  • Six
  • Buggy
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Match 50: Heretic’s Hope vs. Augmented Fourth

  • Heretic’s Hope
  • Augmented Fourth
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Match 51: Nightfall vs. A Change in the Weather

  • Nightfall
  • A Change in the Weather
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Match 52: Taco Fiction vs. Sand-dancer

  • Taco Fiction
  • Sand-dancer
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Match 53: The Dreamhold vs. First Things First

  • The Dreamhold
  • First Things First
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Match 54: Never Gives Up Her Dead vs. To Hell in a Hamper

  • Never Gives Up Her Dead
  • To Hell in a Hamper
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Match 55: Babel vs. Scroll Thief

  • Babel
  • Scroll Thief
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Match 56: Bogeyman vs. Metamorphoses

  • Bogeyman
  • Metamorphoses
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Vote in the matchups above, and put in a good word for your selections on this thread. Voting will close and Round 4, the division championships, will begin in two weeks one week, on June 7th.

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This segment’s contestants were nominated by the following people (in alphabetical order):

  • AmandaB
  • BadParser (x3)
  • Denk
  • dfranke
  • Hellzon
  • Hidnook (x2)
  • Joey
  • mathbrush (x2)
  • Morningstar
  • simpsong00
  • SomeOne2

… along with others who submitted their candidates anonymously (but can claim them publicly if they like). We’re down to just 16 competing games – the ones that make it through this round go on to the division championships!

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Well, everyone seen’s all the games twice now, so there’s not as much to say.

I have two different games in this round, and my opponents are Six (a game I nominated and strongly support) and To Hell in a Hamper, one of my top ten of all time favorite games, and favorite comedy. So I would honored to lose to either one. It also looks like Six vs Buggy is the shortest match this time around (i.e. has the shortest games).

Bogeyman and Metamorphoses are both moody games by authors noted for their excellent writing. Metamorphoses is much more puzzly while Bogeyman is focused on a single ethical dilemma (whether to cooperate with your abuser or not).

Babel and Scroll Thief are both puzzly parser games with a feel that will appeal to retro players (although both have modern elements as well, like well-thought-out storylines integrated into the action).

First Things First and The Dreamhold both have a nice focus on puzzles encountered while exploring the past, in one version through literal time travel and in the other through recovering memories. Both are fairly hefty games but completable in less than 10 hours.

Taco Fiction and Sand-dancer are both very much more ‘modern’ than the other parser games in this list, with major emphasis on ambience, plot, and character development. The puzzles in both games are still pretty significant but are more designed to enhance their stories rather than impede them.

Nightfall and A Change in the Weather are both pretty different. The only things they really have in common is that they involve a single person who has separated from other humans and has to explore and solves puzzles before a major disaster happens. Nightfall is easier and larger, while A Change in the Weather is pretty hard but kind of short. Both have multiple endings.

Augmented Fourth and Heretic’s Hope are so different that it’s hard to say how this will go. Augmented Fourth is a humorous and goofy parser puzzle game, while Heretic’s Hope is a moody and multimedia-enhanced choice-based game. Both do deal with commoners who have to interact with royalty.

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FYI: The interview with Draconis for Scroll Thief that was posted recently has been expanded with one additional answer. If you missed it, check it out, and if you didn’t, check the end!

Also: For this tournament, measures were taken to ensure that more fans would be able to play more games and therefore vote in more matches while abiding by the honor code. I’d like to get some feedback about how effective those measures were with some quick polls:

Did you personally find the pre-match “quiet play” period to be beneficial to your participation?
  • Yes
  • No
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Did you personally find the extended two-week segments for Rounds 1 and 2 to be beneficial to your participation?
  • Yes
  • No
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I nominated Sand-dancer… Let’s go!

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This one won’t be an official poll, so it’s open to everyone. It’s just a joke based on something I noticed while looking over the Division 2 ladder early in Round 2.

Which is the best name for a restaurant?
  • Taco Eidolon
  • Taco Inevitable
  • Taco Edifice
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This may have been mentioned elsewhere, but it is interesting that there is only one choice-based game left in the competition. So one choice-based game and 15 parser games. . :thinking:

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I count two, Bogeyman and Heretic’s Hope?

G. C. Baccaris was a co-writer on Excalibur and Liz Smyth is a good friend of mine IRL so I wish them both the best of luck!

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There weren’t a whole lot of choice games nominated in the first place, as shown in the infographic on the “Meet the Contestants” thread. Only 11.4% of nominees and 9.4% of contestants used Twine, the 12.5% of the Sweet Sixteen is in line with those figures.

The current breakdown by system is:

system		# games
--------	-------
Inform 7	7
Inform 6	3
TADS 2		2
Twine		2
Inform 5	1
multiple	1
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You are absolutely right - I counted wrong :woozy_face:
It also seems to follow the percentage of choice games when the competition started :slight_smile:

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OK, the tension is now officially unbearable, with four matches at tie status! With 2/3 or more of fans out there not yet having cast votes in these matches, surely some more votes can make the difference in these last 46 hours.

Following are my pitches for each of the eight games in question. Tonight and tomorrow evenings (for the western hemisphere) and Saturday morning (for the eastern) are a great time to give some of them a shot – for three of the pairings both contestants are comp-length games.


Nightfall won the 2008 XYZZY Awards for Best Story and Best Setting, and Emily Short’s review of it praises the “superb IF craftmanship.” It stands out in its historical context as an example of the trend toward smoother and more focused works emphasizing the player experience instead of the author’s cleverness. While the story part has some flaws (see Adam Cadre’s discussion on Radio K, for some examples), the setting is very well done, and you shouldn’t have any trouble reaching an ending in a couple of hours.

A Change in the Weather is one of those games that changed the course of history; thirty years on, modern games have much more in common with it than the imitative puzzlefests at various scales which dominated the form in the mid-90s. It had been on my “someday” list for a long time, so thanks to Denk for nominating it. It’s pretty easy to spoil this one’s more delicate aspects, so perhaps the best thing to say about it is that it starts out like a “walking simulator” but goes on to something more.


Taco Fiction is the prototype Ryan Veeder work for me: funny, polished, and engaging by virtue of a thousand little surprises in the interaction. What’s not to love about an inept protagonist who has set out to rob a taco shop but would clearly much rather be doing anything else? Or gameplay that’s so smooth it practically feels like watching a movie? Throw in some unexpected twists and turns, and you have a story that will stand out in your memory for a long time.

Sand-dancer is an unexpectedly gripping mini-drama doused in magical realism. Its raison-d’etre is to be a practical example of how to write interactive fiction with Inform 7, and that’s how I first encountered it, but if played as a game you’ll find that it’s a well-written and compelling comp-length experience. I wasn’t expecting it to go far when it was first entered in the rolls, but after playing it during the “quiet play” period, I thought it might end up being a surprise hit since it doesn’t seem to be well-known to those who haven’t read Reed’s book.


(This is the longest pair.)

First Things First was new to me, and who knows how long it would have been until I got around to trying it if it weren’t for the fortuitous nomination by BadParser and another anonymous fan. I didn’t know much about it going in, and I think that was a good thing, so I hesitate to say very much that’s specific. I didn’t have high expectations since I hadn’t seen much discussion of it beyond mention that it was a time travel game. Starting from a fairly stock baseline, it ended up pleasantly surprising me a number of times as I played through it – it has a way of changing the mood and events being anticipated in a manner that doesn’t feel discontinuous, so doesn’t throw you (but does keep the gameplay feeling fresh).

The Dreamhold is more than just a tutorial adventure and more than it seems; my IFDB review discusses its unique aspects. I’m not sure how much someone just trying it for an hour or two will get of its deep structure, but you really can’t go wrong with one of Andrew Plotkin’s demonstrations that even the stalest conventional tropes (in this case, waking up with amnesia) can be revitalized.


Bogeyman was also new to me. I pretty much hate it, but since that’s basically the point, the author has my respect for this one. It goes some dark places and revels in it – if you like the kind of horror that you can’t stop reading/watching even though you want to, then you’ll probably love this one.

Metamorphoses is a puzzler with a deeper story that you have to work a bit to unearth. Not quite Emily Short’s first public work, but her second and the first submitted to a competition – where it took 2nd in the IF Comp and later won the XYZZY for Best Writing. Although it’s overshadowed by many of Short’s later works, you can definitely see elements of her signature style on display in their early forms. A single ending won’t tell the whole tale here, so maybe it’s better to consider this as a more-than-comp-length work, but if you find yourself (like I did) spending quite a long time investigating every last detail of a mural, you’ll realize how well you’ve been hooked.

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This convinced me to get out and play a few more so I can do more voting… Let’s get out and vote folks… time is running out!

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I must say, Metamorphoses has sucked me in…

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@Piergiorgio_d_errico let me know that I’d accidentally skipped Division 2 and doubled up Division 3 in the last scoreboard update. (Thanks again, Piergiorgio.) Sorry for the mixup, everyone! It’s now fixed and shows the fact that both matches in Div 2 are still tied.

Just 21 hours left in the round. Right now it looks like the official tie-breaking coin is going to get something of a workout…

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I picked “Taco Inevitable”. That said, I think all of them would sound better than my pick if the order of words was reversed, with “Taco” being the last word.

  • Eidolon Taco
  • Edifice Taco
  • Inevitable Taco
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A brief imaginary scene triggered by the above:

>X TACO

Which taco do you mean, the eidolon taco, the edifice taco, or the inevitable taco?

>EDIFICE

Sorry, but you were unable to avoid examining the inevitable taco.

In other news related to the tournament, Never Gives Up Her Dead recently broke into the Top 10 of the IFDB Top 100 list. (Congratulations, mathbrush!)

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I was looking at Division 2 and noticed that both matches were tied at 6-6.

I thought, “Oh, so all 4 games are equally good.”

Then I thought, “Wait, that’s not right. It could be that two games are much worse than the other two, so if the partners were swapped then they could both be at 2-10 or something.”

That made me think about how it’s hard to rank all games but feels a bit easier to do one v one matchups.

And, finally, that made me think:

Are there any games A, B, C in this competition where you would vote for A over B, B over C, and C over a? I.e. a non-transitive set.

One example for me would be A Dark Room, Galatea, and Nightfall.

I’d vote for A Dark Room over Galatea because I find A Dark Room more enjoyable, and absent much other similarity between the two that’s the only criteria I have.

Similarly, I’d vote for Nightfall over A Dark Room because both are fun to play and out of the two Nightfall has more of the traditional IF elements I’m used to and like.

And finally I’d vote Galatea over Nightfall because both are classic IF games but Galatea is more of a classic IF game.

Do you have any examples like that?

(This reminds me of a story I’ve seen in several places, but I most recently googled and found on Hacker News: After finishing dinner, Sidney Morgenbesser decides to order dessert. The waitress tells him he has two choices: apple pie and blueberry pie. Sidney orders the apple pie. After a few minutes the waitress returns and says that they also have cherry pie at which point Morgenbesser says “In that case I’ll have the blueberry pie.”)

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Time’s up! There will be a delay while the record-setting three ties are resolved and the new scoreboards are prepared. Everyone can watch the imaginary half-time show for a while…

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… or do an “half-time speed IF” competition ! :smiley:

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

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Lady Luck showed a mischievous streak – three tails! She’s definitely getting her due moving into the Round 4 Division Championships. See you there…

Also, FYI, the match summary for Round 3 has been posted and the big board has been updated. Good luck to the final eight champions!

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