Movie Recommendations and Discussion

I just saw environmental-themed sci-fi film Silent Running (1972) for the first time. Or at least the first time right through. I may have seen little bits when I was tiny.

My mum always loved this film in which Bruce Dern plays an astronaut preserving the last of Earth’s vegetation in space, with the help of two cute droids, after saving it from destruction by murdering the other order-following companions who’d have nuked it.

This was one of the first films we recorded off TV when we had a VHS player in the early 80s, but I think I avoided it in the long run because by the time I was old enough to understand it, I’d acquired the impression it was going to be unutterably sad. Well, it is sad, but not to the impossible extent I’d imagined over decades.

The film is strongly infused by sixties attitudes towards environmental destruction, spirituality and governments issuing terrible orders. Or at least the USA’s government. It even has a Joan Baez song on the soundtrack. (or two?) Bruce Dern gives an incredible performance, often with no-one to act to. It’s interesting that he’s a protagonist who transitions from being in the fringe or extreme position, placed there by societal attitudes, to someone more relatable.

I was a little disappointed by the model work (Trumbull directed, and John Dykstra was involved – both went on to Star Wars, and Trumbull came from 2001). Somehow the photography speed and scale of things, and non-moving starfield, weren’t right, when you think of either of the other films I mentioned, but it was broadly close enough to them for me to really notice. I shouldn’t be surprised, given I’m coming at it anew when it’s over 50 years old. Ssaying that sounds unbelievable to me; I think of 50-year-old films as films from the 1950s, not high tech colour sci-fi from the 1970s. And I’m watching on a Blu-ray, which reveals everything.

My most pernickety critcisms are probably for the droids themselves. They’re in a place of being physically primitive, technically highly capable though slow, able to understand human slang perfectly, but unable to speak, though they can flash a light or vibrate a piece of plastic. The direction has to work around their tech slowness, which would otherwise look silly on film. I guess I’ve seen and read too much sci-fi now to find this particular version of droids too credible. Again, there’s the tension of this film being very high tech when new, which perhaps increases potential for parts of it to date worse.

But overall, an excellent melancholic film.

PS Something came back to me from watching this film. One time I had to ring up a musician I was playing with. His name was Freeman Lowell. I rang up and a kid answered and I asked to speak to Freeman Lowell. The kid didn’t know who that was. After some futzing, the guy came on the phone and explained that was his stage name. It’s the name of Bruce Dern’s character in this film.

-Wade

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The saddest movie I’ve ever watched is Grave of the Fireflies. I was not prepared for that movie and still haven’t watched it again because just the thought of it “makes my eyes rain”.

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I’ve heard of Grave but I hadn’t realised it was a war drama. Are there any other Studio Ghibli films that aren’t fantasy?

Two of the most readily recallable tearjerkers for me are The Elephant Man (1980) and Platoon (1986). Though both use Samuel Barber’s Adagio for Strings, which is kind of like cheating. But it’s not like the use of that music is the only thing that creates emotion in those films.

When I wondered how many films have syphoned the power of this piece of music, I found of course that someone on the internet has already done the research:

On this note of sort of annoying piggybacking on music: A film that I love until it ends by playing a huge unbroken chunk of the score from Vertigo is The Artist (2011). And a film that chucks in the towel and plays Beethoven through its peak scene (is this a wise choice, given they’re going to war with Germany?) is The King’s Speech (2010).

-Wade

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Grave of the Fireflies seems to pop up fairly often on “Best WWII Movies” lists. It didn’t live up to the hype for me, although I still think it’s a good movie. (It was originally a double feature with My Neighbor Totoro. What a package!)

Only Yesterday, The Wind Rises, From Up On Poppy Hill, and My Neighbors the Yamadas are all non-fantasy Ghibli movies. Ocean Waves isn’t fantasy either, but that one has kind of a weird place in the studio’s filmography; it’s understated, “plain,” but I personally like it.

Whisper of the Heart also isn’t fantasy, but it has some extended dream/imagination sequences. Very grounded otherwise, though.

I don’t think When Marnie Was There is fantasy? But I haven’t seen this one, so can’t confirm.

Only Yesterday is one of their great unsung movies (unsung compared to their bigger hits, that is). Out of all these, if I had to pick just one to recommend, this would be it.

My Neighbors the Yamadas is neat due to the animation style.

From Up On Poppy Hill – not the most memorable.

The Wind Rises is another WWII movie. Showered with awards and accolades. Technically accomplished. Ethically… murky, let’s say.

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@severedhand

CMG mentioned a lot of Ghibli movies to consider. However, I get a sense that you would like non-fantasy anime from a non-fantasy anime director. Satoshi Kon (writer/director) has made quite a few interesting films. And it was his movies that got me interested in anime, actually.

I don’t know how else to describe his movies other than adult drama anime. The IMDb scores tell of the quality. Definitely check them out, if you get the chance.

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I would consider all of these (except Tokyo Godfathers) to be pretty fantastical! I guess I was thinking of fantasy in more general terms. Certainly a good director to check out, though.

I don’t think When Marnie Was There is fantasy? But I haven’t seen this one, so can’t confirm.

It’s a ghost story, which I guess is fantasy, but there are no fantastic places apart from what I guess you could call ambiguous time travel.

It was one of my least favourites when I watched through a big chunk of the Ghibli catalogue earlier this year.

The plot twist it drops at the end is not really built up to in any way. I don’t need plot twists to be foreshadowed, but it’s a very slow burn in every respect.

On top of that, it fails to distinguish what appears to be a chaste same-sex romantic relationship from what is actually a familial relationship, so it’s not just a plot twist that’s out of nowhere. It’s a plot twist that offended a lot of people for a lot of reasons.

I would say that this misunderstanding came from trying to adapt a 1960s British novel and a generational divide — not due to differences between Japanese and Western culture — but Ghibli’s other novel adaptions don’t have this problem, so who knows.

It had a lot of things to say about grief and loss, but I can’t remember any of them (apart from a few particularly strong scenes of abandonment). It had a strong atmosphere and good production values, but I still regretted watching it.

Long story short, I didn’t like it. Some people do.

It’s the closest Ghibli has gotten to Gothic horror/Gothic fiction, which at least makes it unique. I’ve said nothing original yet, so I’m going to add that, tonally, it’s a lot like Dear Esther, which I did like.

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Thanks all. Yeah, @HAL9000 was sort of correctly divining I’m not crazy about Ghibli. I appreciate their quality, but in the end few of them have satisfied me in a way I’d want to watch again, so I stopped trying any more. Somehow, where they sit with their combination of being lyrical, nostalgic and melancholic, for my taste I want them to have either more obvious purpose, or less. I saw a lot of them on the big screen during a festival. My favourite, and the one I do rewatch, is Kiki’s Delivery Service.

I’ve seen at least Nauissca (I do remember liking this, but don’t really remember it), Steamboy, Howl’s Moving Castle, Spirited Away and My Neighbour Totoro.

Re: Perfect Blue, this has been high on my hit list for ages. I just never quite wanted to part with the money for an expensive boutique Blu-ray, just to see it in the first place. But a local cinema rhere uns it here once a year. The next screening’s about a year away :smile: and I plan not to miss it next time.

-Wade

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I’m excited to see Fede’s Romulus as he tends to find all the best parts of series fiction and sum it together in one movie and I’m excited for an Alien entry which makes the Xenomorph scary and Grand Guignol once again.

The in space no one can hear you moment in the first trailer…Fede Alvarez understands the assignment.

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Is that poster a joke or someone’s hack? I’ve not seen this particular wide image before. If the woman’s clutching the alien, who’s caressing the guy? If she’s caressing the guy, how?! She has an alien on her! And then the guy’s hands would be back to front on the alien.

-Wade

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I tried Whisper of the Heart, but I abandoned it because I fucking hate “Take Me Home, Country Roads”. That song drives me up the fucking wall for some reason. XD

I did watch Nausicäa, Kiki’s Delivery Service, and Princess Mononoke. Kiki’s my favourite of them.

Oh yeah, I’d lump that into fantasy. I kind of expected it wouldn’t be too good, which is why I still haven’t hunted it down. I’ve seen pretty much everything else they’ve ever made.

Yeah, that’s basically the theme song! I think there are least three different versions in the movie: English, Japanese, and instrumental.

I like the movie, but this song also struck me as a weird choice when I first watched it. And it has stuck me as a weird choice on rewatches too! I have nothing against the song, but it is an unusual place to encounter it.

Spirited Away is my favorite. This movie changed me.

Howl’s Moving Castle, I initially thought was too messy plot-wise. I still think so, but I’ve grown to appreciate other elements over the years, and it’s now one of my favorites too.

The Tale of the Princess Kaguya is another great one.

Only Yesterday – I’ll still loop back around and recommend this one again. It never gets mentioned. It should!

(Oh, and belatedly: Steamboy isn’t a Studio Ghibli movie. Maybe that was being referenced as “anime in general” though.)

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If they really wanted a John Denver theme song, they should’ve used “Leaving on a Jet Plane”. That song’s actually good. XD

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The main key art is just the right half (reversed), but I think this is an alternate poster for landscape format and I assume it was just an artistic pose they tried.

Both hands are left hands, so I think she is holding his face, and his left hand is clutching the facehuggers tail. I see it as kind of an ironic “couples portrait studio shot”.

I posted this cuz it was a bit more interesting than just the facehugger. I don’t know if this shot is another rejected alternate or fan art but it’s really cool as well.

There are many alternate versions. This seems to be the primary key art poster
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I believe this is the other official poster that is less disturbing, likely a “general audiences” poster for display in a theater playing other movies, but it’s generic as all get out.

These are two other alternates - one for Fandango that doesn’t clearly feature the alien and isn’t bad, and another that’s also boring as it’s just the actress posing with either a prosthetic alien, or possibly nothing and the xenomoph was layered in.

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Artsy, good thinking but no; this reminds me of the poster for The Descent
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I think they probably picked the right poster since Romulus spends a longer time featuring the face huggers than most entries in the franchise do, but the poster is just a color-treated still from the movie which doesn’t tickle my design fancy.

This is probably fan art and not an official version but I love the composition. Anyone blind to the series and design might not realize that’s the xenomorph framing her.

[EDIT] Speaking of - what are those little ribcage-like appendages on the xenomorph’s back? I can only imagine they’re specialized fingers if the alien wants to hang itself on the wall or from a ceiling to have deadly arms/tail still free to pulverize anything that happens past it? Like organic velcro or that little nubbin with catch-prongs I stick to my wall to slap the mop into when I’m done with it for storage? “Can cling to any surface” ?

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I kind of expected it wouldn’t be too good, which is why I still haven’t hunted it down.

@CMG I think you, personally, would like it due to the Gothic aesthetic, though it might not be “out there” enough for your tastes

I like the movie, but this song also struck me as a weird choice when I first watched it

Ghibli is hugely sentimental, and it totally makes sense that they would choose one of the most famous country songs — a hugely sentimental genre — to represent that.

I was also under the impression that the main character was plagiarizing the song, at least in the first instance were she gets credit for it from the other students, but other people say she was translating or adapting it to Japanese.

Googling suggests that the song is popular in Japan, but I can’t find any hard evidence that it was popular before Whispers of the Heart was released.

I don’t like the song, but I liked the film enough to put up with it. It’s the one I liked the most along with Howl’s Moving Castle when I watched them earlier this year.

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The Peter, Paul, and Mary version of that song slays me. I think it’s better than Denver’s original.

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Well, I wouldn’t say Only Yesterday or Ocean Waves are “out there,” and I like them a lot! I do have a taste for funky, fantastical, experimental movies, etc., etc., but I enjoy plenty of grounded stuff too.

Most of the recent non-Miyazaki Ghibli movies have left me a bit cold. From Up On Poppy Hill, especially, felt like a dud. Which is why I didn’t rush out to see When Marnie Was There. But I’ll give it a shot.

I’m not knowledgeable enough about music to get the “Country Roads” hate in this thread. Seems like an inoffensive song to me. (I like it more than “Leaving on a Jet Plane,” anyway.) The reason I thought it felt weird in Whisper of the Heart wasn’t necessarily because of the genre, but because of the song’s pop-culture weight. Anything like that is an incredibly strong flavor to add to a recipe. Ghibli doesn’t typically use such a spice, but here they dumped in the whole bottle!

Ghibli actually does have a bit of a trend of including pre-existing hit songs in their films, like “Rouge no Dengon” in Kiki’s Delivery Service or “Sayonara wa Dance no Ato ni” in Only Yesterday, but (1) they’re often replaced in the English dubs and (2) even if they’re not (or if you’re watching the films in Japanese), they’re just not going to strike Western audiences the same way because they weren’t all over our radio stations.

Although, to be fair, those films don’t revolve around the songs in question like Whisper of the Heart does.

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Okay, I just listened to the Japanese version of Country Roads… Sorry Jackie Chan, but the Mandarin version of “I’ll Make a Man out of You” is no longer my favorite non-English adaptation of an English language song. I like the original version of Country Roads(along with The Devil went down to Georgia, it’s one of my favorite country songs of the 70s), but hearing it sung in Japanese by a female singer with a cute voice gave me shivers. I want to know who the singer is and if they’ve released any full albums.

As far as I know, the only Ghibli film I’ve seen in its entirety is Spirited Away, though I did give Kiki’s Delivery Service a listen earlier this year and upon finding out its actually an adaptation from a novel and that said novel is just the first in a series, I want to read the source material… sadly, best I can tell, the novels aren’t available in English, at least not in any accessible format.

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The first Kiki’s Delivery Service book has been released in English and appears to have ebook and audiobook versions.

The singer of “Country Roads” is Honna Youko, who is primarily an actress and has mostly just done songs for anime and video games she’s been involved in, but it looks like she did release one album in the 1990s and two mini-albums in the early 2000s. I don’t see any of them on streaming services, at least not internationally, but here’s one song on YouTube:

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