I apologise. I am not an American and I do not know the full connotations such terms may still have. For me, I only meant a public attempt to enact justice or to punish outside the system. I have edited my post to say âmob justiceâ instead. I hope that conveys what I mean in sensitive enough language.
I am not ignoring them (Sequitur, furkle, catacalypto, grrozny, and others), and I think their concerns matter. I think your concerns matter, Lucea. I want them to be addressed in a concrete way that satisfies you. I donât know what else I can do except continue to echo your (our) concerns. Letâs make it a thesis statement: Many IF authors and players avoid this forum because they see insensitive/abusive people who appear to be tolerated here. At this point it seems like itâs up to the moderators to announce a decision about what they will or wonât do to address this problem. I have faith that they are not ignoring it, though I donât expect a resolution during Thanksgiving weekend.
It doesnât have to be a choice of revolution or nothing. A new server could run concurrently with the old server. Threads on the old server could be locked as they become unused - a gradual freezing over weeks or months.
We need to take great care in choosing whether or not to exclude people on political grounds. People who are oppressed or who fear oppression will be looking at our choices fearing that they will be excluded. Today people of all faiths and creeds share their love of interactive fiction here. Would ten random Americans vote to include Muslims in our forum? Iâm afraid they would not.
I appreciate your effort to take this seriously and facilitate the discussion here - honestly. But itâs been made clear that the moderation here considers real concerns that have been brought forward about certain users to be just âpublic outcryâ and that removing users that have been consistently abusive is not going to happen because it would be âmob justice.â I donât think trusting the moderation team to ban those who need banning in the future is going to happen. It hasnât happened in the past and theyâve just said theyâre not going to do it with users that are being a problem in the present.
So at this point I think my points have been made and continuing to argue here is just going to exacerbate other peopleâs distress (that, quite frankly, the moderation team here is to some extent responsible for as well). So Iâm going to be leaving again, and Iâm going to be continuing to tell people to stay right the fuck away from this place.
I wasnât referring to you here â iirc you hadnât really been participating in this part of the discussion â but a common thread has been bemoaning the people âdriven offâ (generally this is cited as evidence I am a terrible person), while people who have actually stated, here, that they have been or are being driven off are completely ignored. Again, for some reason.
I will only bemusedly observe that everything here has been running pretty smoothly until a number of people who defected for whichever of their own personal reasons in the past came flooding back to demand that rules here need to change due to some argument that started on some other forum.
Mods: You have done and continue to do a great job controlling things. Thank you!
Iâm not sure who that is in reference to â I suspect it is being applied only to a couple people, where it actually applies to quite a few â but not only have I been active here for years, this entire âflooding backâ was a direct result of an incident that happened to me. Ironically, that incident involved someone active on this forum (me) being derailed and attacked by someone not active on it. Iâm not sure what else I have to do to have my opinion be valid.
I have to say, this post struck me as really mean-spirited and disappointing. I didnât think you would be one to dismiss the real concerns other people have and the distress others have experienced, but I guess I was wrong.