IF is dead

[namekuseijin]

@JoshuaH

Begscape is totally a game.

as much as a coin toss (or most likely not)

ULTRA BUSINESS TYCOON III is totally a game. Just in the last three months, we also had Krypteia, Missive, It is Pitch Black, and Eclosion, which are all inarguably games. Icepunk even had world exploration via a clickable map, and Zest had achievements. Achievements! (The Uncle Who Works for Nintendo also kept track of endings the reader had experienced.) If those aren’t enough, even with my sketchy skills I suppose I could whip up a Twine implementation of Concentration or Simon for you if you’d like and we could just be done with this argument forever.

the problem with most of these twine hypertexts is that they are neither good fiction (there is as much fiction there as in old NES games blurbs) nor good games… indeed, some of them are no doubt created by retrogaming console fans. Some of them can still stand out fine enough as hypertext poetry

Choice of Games at least has better fiction or tries to hire authors…

[namekuseijin]

@emshort

1. Twine has been adopted by many creators who feel left out of traditional game creation power structures, especially women and queer authors and people of color: in some cases people who do not program or do not have the time and energy to program; often people who face disproportionate challenges in getting hired in the game industry. The traditional parser IF community has always skewed towards white men, but the Twine community has a different composition, and for some Twine authors it is the one context in which they feel their voices can be heard.

I see

so, they don’t get hired and then put a lot of time and energy into free hypertext?

shouldn’t they make best of their time to actually learn a real programming language to get better chances of getting hired? or in tools and technique for graphic designs?

no, better making a free twine game with lots of pissing off and crude sticky figures… then whining when their sketches are not well accepted. it’s all misogyny… which, BTW, I don’t think applies here but, hey…

[cvaneseltine]

This conversation was finished months ago, and the post that reopened it violated the code of conduct. (Specifically: “Be respectful of the games, stories, topics, and the people discussing them”.)

I’m going to close this thread.

Namekusejin, please review the code of conduct.

[David_Whyld1 (David Whyld)]

Do you think anyone has ever actually read the Codes of Conduct?